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tobi (they/them) is writing bugs :terminal_cursor: @dumpsterqueer
Nov 23, 09:19
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

In the replies of new Black folks on here discussing the harassment they’ve faced, and slurs they’ve had thrown at them, I’ve seen white users respond with suggestions that they should move to better moderated instances – I even saw one guy say ‘you should just move to a black instance’. The usual line they take is to (patronizingly) talk about how the protocol lets you move instances, and so you can just find an instance with policies that suit you.

IMO, this behavior is (and should be more widely seen as) anti-Black; users should be reporting it, and instance admins should be banning for it.

Firstly, it shifts the blame for the abuse solely to the recipients – ‘it’s your fault for not picking an appropriate instance!’ It also makes the commenters themselves feel all smart for knowing the ins and outs of the protocol (even when they often have no idea what they’re talking about), which is honestly just annoying as fuck.

Secondly, it sweeps the fedi’s historical + continuing anti-Blackness under the rug by making racist abuse into a technical discussion rather than a cultural one. It serves to assuage the consciences of those making such comments, because they can just point to the safeguards that are *technically* there, allowing them to forego self-reflection.

Cumulatively, the effect of these kinds of comments is to push Black users off the fedi, or onto instances that can be blocked/marginalized/attacked by white users. This is segregation, plain and simple, and it’s absolutely shameful.

SO! Fellow admins, I’m gonna be reporting such behavior + suspending accounts that do it from instances I moderate. I’m gonna encourage users to report this shit too so that I can take action. How about you?

Nov 23, 2022, 09:19
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Rodger @rodgerd@mastodon.social
Nov 26, 07:30
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer “we forced people into virtual ghettos” doesn’t seem like the best advertisement for the fediverse

Nov 26, 2022, 07:30
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Berkubernetus @fuzzychef@m6n.io
Nov 26, 05:48
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer I've been trying to find out what instances this is happening on. Please post if you do!

Nov 26, 2022, 05:48
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Dave Hogg @davehogg@newsie.social
Nov 23, 23:06
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer Thank you.

Nov 23, 2022, 23:06
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Bloody Mess ⌨️🖱🎮 @MrMisfit@mstdn.social
Nov 23, 20:42
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer I didn't come here just to see the same racist shit I see everywhere else. I'll be happily reporting any racist dickhead I see every chance I get .

Nov 23, 2022, 20:42
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Sköldpaddan 🐢 @turtle@turtle.garden
Nov 23, 19:04
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer This exactly. “Just move to another instance!” underlines how oppression is a problem. White people DARVO is not something people should accept on here. I’ll be blocking that crap on sight.

Nov 23, 2022, 19:04
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Amanda Quraishi @vantablue@writing.exchange
Nov 23, 16:25
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer 1000%. If you're not actively welcoming people and ensuring they are comfortable in your community, you're not being inclusive nor do you value diversity.

I'd also add that I don't think conflict is a bad thing. Conflict helps us grow if it's productive. It's on admins to create spaces where conflict can happen in a healthy way.

Nov 23, 2022, 16:25
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Joy Denebeim :verified_trans: @denebeim@deepthot.org
Nov 23, 16:17
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer I'm hoping this will sort itself out.

The only leavers we have are known , the ability to exclude, and . If there's bad actors complain to your and the admin of the site the person is posting from.

Bad actors over time will either move to spaces they're welcome at. Or they're already there and it's the space that needs to be excised.

It takes action though.

Nov 23, 2022, 16:17
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MaryPot @MaryPot@masto.ai
Nov 23, 16:10
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer

Why on earth should any of us be sorted by the colour of our skin or even the colour of our hair! We should be sorted, if anything, into interest groups, like the arts server(s).

Harassed users get harassed enough IRL. I hope this community makes sure they aren't harassed here as well.

Nov 23, 2022, 16:10
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22 @22@octodon.social
Nov 23, 15:59
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer thank you for this, bookmarking this and will link it liberally, along with zirk.us/@sbarolo/1093844567916, to the damned reply guys just before I hit that report button. I know I’ll be making more work for my admin bless her but I want there to be a paper trail of these ignorant, fragile, demanding people.

Reminder to everyone here. If you see someone being an asshole on Fediverse, and you just scroll by, well, if you don’t have the spoons then fine, take care of yourself, but our claim of being an inclusive place will be a lie. So feel free tag me and I’ll deal with shitty people.

Nov 23, 2022, 15:59
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22 @22@octodon.social
Nov 23, 16:06

“Oh but 22, the world will always have shitty people that doesn’t mean this isn’t inclus—“ motherfucker let me link you to Letter from Birmingham Jail africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/ it’s much much longer than a toot but should answer all your annoying questions

Nov 23, 2022, 16:06
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Today’s Tom Sawyer @philurboots@mas.to
Nov 23, 14:55
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer well said.

Nov 23, 2022, 14:55
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jezza @meganox@mas.to
Nov 23, 14:54
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer

saw a lot of replies to a thread compiling a list of instances with PoC moderating asking "what does skin colour have to do with moderation?" and I can see it's going to take a long time to educate fedi on what "whiteness" and "blackness" actually mean

Nov 23, 2022, 14:54
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Everyone Deserves Nice Things @serenissima@anticapitalist.party
Nov 23, 14:52
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer It absolutely is anti-Black, and it's also absolutely necessary that people have instances where they feel like moderation is done with explicitly anti-racist thought.

Certain instances (*cough* dot social *cough*) have "color blind" moderation policies in place that (of course) end up reinforcing the same racist power structures. Black and BIPOC users generally, can't wait for mods to be enlightened.

Nov 23, 2022, 14:52
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Alejandra @Malditopelirrojo@mastodon.social
Nov 23, 14:46

@dumpsterqueer and isn't the whole point of fedi that you can see content from any instance, thereby negating the entire benefit of migrating to a nicer instance?

Nov 23, 2022, 14:46
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Derek Caelin @derek@social.coop
Nov 23, 14:42
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer

> [Telling black users to find black instances] sweeps the fedi’s historical + continuing anti-Blackness under the rug by making racist abuse into a technical discussion rather than a cultural one. It serves to assuage the consciences of those making such comments, because they can just point to the safeguards that are *technically* there, allowing them to forego self-reflection.

Thanks for this.

Nov 23, 2022, 14:42
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Alyce Barry @AlyceBarry@mastodon.social
Nov 23, 14:25
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer

Totally agree.

Nov 23, 2022, 14:25
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Thaliea🇬🇧 @thaliea@mastodon.social
Nov 23, 12:57
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer This is an eye opening read. I'm new here but I most certainly have things like this on my radar for the most obvious reasons. I will defo be reporting any issues I see or personally experience here.

Nov 23, 2022, 12:57
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Barry Schwartz :unverified: @chemoelectric@masto.ai
Nov 23, 11:38
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer It's redlining.

Nov 23, 2022, 11:38
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Lea Rosema @learosema@chaos.social
Nov 23, 10:35
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer

I'm a bit split on the topic.

People should not experience racism, discrimination, harassment or otherwise discriminatory behaviour, no matter what instance they choose to join.

But there are instances which are weakly moderated, too big for proper moderation, or even encourage discriminatory content, such as right-wing instances.

Choosing an instance with "safe space" rules could be beneficial.

Nov 23, 2022, 10:35
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Lea Rosema @learosema@chaos.social
Nov 23, 10:48
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer But it is not me to judge marginalized people's instance choice. And moving to a safe instance makes protest invisible.

Nov 23, 2022, 10:48
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Lea Rosema @learosema@chaos.social
Nov 23, 11:18
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer I very much agree unasked advice on joining a safer instance is not helpful a form of silencing.

Nov 23, 2022, 11:18
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Georg @gcrkrause@lediver.se
Nov 23, 10:30
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer Its the least white people can do: Block away racist assholes. Its by far not enough to fight racism, but its an simple first step and honestly there is no excuse not to block such idiots.

Nov 23, 2022, 10:30
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とねぢ @Minoh-don(matrix) @toneji@minohdon.jp
Nov 23, 10:07
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer @shahaan Mastodon makes it technically easy to move from server to server. But that's not to push people who don't fit into one server to another. Any server, being a machine, will break. We should not use Mastodon's mixability as a cover for our own racism.

Nov 23, 2022, 10:07
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22 @22@octodon.social
Nov 23, 15:53
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@toneji you can move your presence to another server but all your toots stay on the old one right. I’m starting to realize saying “mastodon makes it easy to move to another server” is like “airplanes make it easy to move to another country”.
@dumpsterqueer @shahaan

Nov 23, 2022, 15:53
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とねぢ @Minoh-don(matrix) @toneji@minohdon.jp
Nov 23, 16:00

@22 @shahaan @dumpsterqueer Yes, that's right. I think that ease of use is what makes Mastodon so appealing. I think it's a matter of people's choice of what they use that feature for.

Nov 23, 2022, 16:00
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James Smith 💾 @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk
Nov 23, 10:01
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer 100%, that's not acceptable. I'm with you.

Nov 23, 2022, 10:01
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Maria vB @Mer@mastodon.me.uk
Nov 23, 10:26
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@Floppy @dumpsterqueer :blob_thanks: hope you can feel the love Floppy

Nov 23, 2022, 10:26
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ShutDownSofie @ShutDownSofie@subversive.zone
Nov 23, 10:15
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer

Yes, absolute correct. I want to see all my friends in the space in and nothing separated. This is a fucking shit.

Nov 23, 2022, 10:15
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Mystery Babylon @erosdiscordia@inkdrop.space
Nov 23, 09:21
fedi anti-Blackness; or, my fellow instance admins, sort your fucking users out

@dumpsterqueer Brilliantly put. Thank you.

Nov 23, 2022, 09:21
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